#010 – Have you ever wondered if it’s okay to hope? We often think of it as wishing for something to go our way, but that’s not the truest definition of what hope really is. This week we spoke with Dr. Julia Mossbridge and Dr. Michael Sapiro on this subject of resilience and what does it mean to know that we are okay even when everything around us may not seem like it. We cover a wide range of topics from how we can process and heal from our own trauma and what role unconditional love plays in the process. Learning to show ourselves kindness and strength from our “future self” is one of the many ways we can play with space and time to remind us of who we really are.
About Our Guests:
Dr. Julia Mossbridge is is a fellow at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, an associated professor at the California Institute of Integral Studies, and the Executive Director of the nonprofit TILT: The Institute for Love and Time. She is best known for her research in mental and physical time travel, artificial intelligence, and consciousness. She has rigorously researched a wide range of fascinating phenomena, including precognition, future orientation, unconditional love, and how sound influences mood and cognition. Additionally, Mossbridge has explored models for personal transformation and self-transcendence.
Dr. Michael Sapiro is a clinical psychologist, Dharma teacher, writer, meditation researcher, and former Buddhist monk. He is on faculty at Esalen Institute, is a Fellow at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, and is completing a study on time travel, hope, and love with Dr. Julia Mossbridge of The Institute for Love and Time. Dr. Sapiro is often on podcasts, and teaches nationally on the art and science of transformation, expanded human capabilities, self-care, and nondual meditation for personal and community growth. His work integrates meditation practices, psychology, noetic sciences, and social justice, and is dedicated to personal awakening for the sake of collective and planetary transformation. He can be found at michaelsapiro.com.
Notable Quotes
“When unconditional love is felt and connects everyone, it is indiscriminate. It affects everyone.”
– Dr. Mossbridge
“Love is medicine. Love is all pervasive. From the non-dual tradition, from the formless ground of being from which we feel all forms arise. What some call the fertile void or the plane of possibilities which Dan Siegel calls it. The feeling tone of that plane is love. When we reside in that formless space. When identity dissolves itself away, we are just left with the feeling of radiant, boundless love.”
-Dr. Sapiro
“There’s no condition on time and space. It’s returning these sparks. This idea that the universe has split into billions of sparks. As we bring that love back over time, we take them back to the source. That’s my definition of love.”
-Dr. Mossbridge
“We can learn to tap into love by learning the human forms of love, but that human form or love is frail because it can be broken . . . It gives us a flavor. We start with this flavor. Can you imagine feeling love for a cat or a dog? When you learn to let go of the images of the cat or dog and reside in the experience of love, then you get into the limitless of it.”
-Dr. Sapiro
“The limitless of love can be scary if you’re not even sure you exist or matter. Imagine a room full of unconditional love and gold light. Fill it and put more and more into it. Now just walk into the room, and you can leave at any time, but just see how it feels in the room. It’s a way of first building it up, and then experiencing a taste, and giving yourself a release valve in case it’s too scary.”
-Dr. Mossbridge
“We become constructed to believe things we have been taught. If we are told you don’t deserve love or we have the experience of having to earn love, it is exhausting. There are so many conditions we place on ourselves that we think it’s unattainable. We’re scared to let go of this identity which we have formed and velcroed ourselves to out of survival. Dissolving into limitless is very scary for the ego.”
-Dr. Sapiro
“Love is letting go of the illusion of the personal self. The limitless takes you beyond duality. It takes you beyond your opinion of who you are. And we are biologically designed to have opinions of who we are. The other side of having a human body is the recognition that the human body is not the whole deal. And that can be scary.
-Dr. Mossbridge